Comments on: Writers of the World Unite http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:18:58 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Tim http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-566 Tim Mon, 25 May 2009 23:10:01 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-566 While I agree in principal with (most of) what you say, I'm affraid the ship has already sailed in this regard. If labels were able to band together and pull all content (which in all likelyhood won't happen.), Youtube would be able to spin their loss into a public relations victory painting themselves (and by extension their users) as victims. I'm also fearful that a huge percentage of the users of such sites would merely diecall their rage at the "evil labels" in the event of such a mass content pull off. In addition there are too many "established superstars" (to use your term), who don't feel the pinch, don't care and have enough clout to undermine any attempt at reform. Youtube is smart enough to actively recruit these people to their side if it comes to that. While I agree in principal with (most of) what you say, I’m affraid the ship has already sailed in this regard. If labels were able to band together and pull all content (which in all likelyhood won’t happen.), Youtube would be able to spin their loss into a public relations victory painting themselves (and by extension their users) as victims. I’m also fearful that a huge percentage of the users of such sites would merely diecall their rage at the “evil labels” in the event of such a mass content pull off. In addition there are too many “established superstars” (to use your term), who don’t feel the pinch, don’t care and have enough clout to undermine any attempt at reform. Youtube is smart enough to actively recruit these people to their side if it comes to that.

]]> By: Emerson http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-556 Emerson Sat, 23 May 2009 06:38:05 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-556 I agree with you Eric. Youtube should pay royalties to publishers of the music as they are earning some advertising money because of it (like they have ad units in Youtube pages) On the other hand, what I read in Youtube Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube (under copyright material)is interesting: "In August 2008, a U.S. court ruled that copyright holders cannot order the removal of an online file without first determining whether the posting reflected fair use of the material" I agree with you Eric. Youtube should pay royalties to publishers of the music as they are earning some advertising money because of it (like they have ad units in Youtube pages)

On the other hand, what I read in Youtube Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube (under copyright material)is interesting: “In August 2008, a U.S. court ruled that copyright holders cannot order the removal of an online file without first determining whether the posting reflected fair use of the material”

]]> By: Big-A http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-553 Big-A Sat, 23 May 2009 02:51:43 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-553 The GEMA (german counterpart to ASCAP, BMI or SESAC) also blocked a lot of videos on youtube. The GEMA (german counterpart to ASCAP, BMI or SESAC) also blocked a lot of videos on youtube.

]]> By: swampyankee http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-551 swampyankee Fri, 22 May 2009 23:40:26 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-551 Big business, big money. It's all about the bottom line and doesn't involve ethics or morals. Legality is the only consideration, and nobody is going to voluntarily share revenue with anyone unless the law says they have to. I'm afraid that the law will have to step in and give us our next model by default. When the big blanket license in the sky, er, cloud emerges, I'll bet that big business makes sure that the major burden of funding that residual income pool will fall on the backs of the consumer by some fixed monthly fee tacked onto the ISP bill. Out of our pockets, not theirs. I don't think that whoever collects those monies will do it for free, so we add another layer of fees that'll tap into this income stream. As usual, it will be about how many people can stand between the artist and the consumer in the delivery chain, and siphon off their share. I'd like to think it will turn out different, but I don't see anybody giving up anything, only greedily looking for more. Big business, big money. It’s all about the bottom line and doesn’t involve ethics or morals. Legality is the only consideration, and nobody is going to voluntarily share revenue with anyone unless the law says they have to. I’m afraid that the law will have to step in and give us our next model by default. When the big blanket license in the sky, er, cloud emerges, I’ll bet that big business makes sure that the major burden of funding that residual income pool will fall on the backs of the consumer by some fixed monthly fee tacked onto the ISP bill. Out of our pockets, not theirs. I don’t think that whoever collects those monies will do it for free, so we add another layer of fees that’ll tap into this income stream. As usual, it will be about how many people can stand between the artist and the consumer in the delivery chain, and siphon off their share. I’d like to think it will turn out different, but I don’t see anybody giving up anything, only greedily looking for more.

]]> By: Damien http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-549 Damien Fri, 22 May 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-549 Well said! I like this so much, I re-tweeted it on Twitter from the person I got the link from and posted it to my web site forums. I completely agree with you. Well said! I like this so much, I re-tweeted it on Twitter from the person I got the link from and posted it to my web site forums.

I completely agree with you.

]]> By: Jeff http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Jeff Fri, 22 May 2009 18:43:35 +0000 http://ericbeall.berkleemusicblogs.com/2009/05/22/writers-of-the-world-unite/#comment-548 Eric, I agree with you, embracing the enemy is not the answer. YouTube's content attracts viewers, and, as a result, YouTube attracts advertisers, who pay YouTube. It's totally ludicrous to argue that YouTube shouldn't pay its content providers. What I would do is target Google. They own YouTube and their corporate motto is (or was) "do no evil". Well, creating a situation in which an advertiser (YouTube) has built a monopoly so strong, it can dictate terms that no rational person would consider fair is "evil", right? I mean, not in the Biblical sense, but certainly in the everyday good vs. bad sense. I say it's time for the Feds to step in and tell Google what's what. Message: either pay a fee inline with other media outlets for licensed content, or SHUT IT DOWN, PAL. Jeff www.cerebellumblues.com Eric,

I agree with you, embracing the enemy is not the answer. YouTube’s content attracts viewers, and, as a result, YouTube attracts advertisers, who pay YouTube. It’s totally ludicrous to argue that YouTube shouldn’t pay its content providers.

What I would do is target Google. They own YouTube and their corporate motto is (or was) “do no evil”. Well, creating a situation in which an advertiser (YouTube) has built a monopoly so strong, it can dictate terms that no rational person would consider fair is “evil”, right? I mean, not in the Biblical sense, but certainly in the everyday good vs. bad sense.

I say it’s time for the Feds to step in and tell Google what’s what. Message: either pay a fee inline with other media outlets for licensed content, or SHUT IT DOWN, PAL.

Jeff
http://www.cerebellumblues.com

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